[postfix-users] Mail weiterleiten funktioniert nach oracle.com nicht
Patrick Ben Koetter
p at state-of-mind.de
So Apr 26 21:29:39 CEST 2009
* Heinz Mielimonka <postfix-users at de.postfix.org>:
> p at rick,
>
> erst mal danke. Du hast recht rcsinet12.oracle.com lauscht nicht auf port
> 25. Es sollte ja auch mail.oracle.com sein. Woher rc... kommt weiß ich
> nicht.
Die Antwort darauf ist aber ggf. entscheidend. Ich nehme an, dass Du den
Logauszug nicht selbst geschrieben hast. Das bedeutet dann, dass Postfix
diesen Logauszug generiert hat.
Frage: Wie kommt Postfix darauf die Mail an rcsinet12.oracle.com senden zu
wollen, wenn mail.oracle.com das Ziel sein sollte?
Stimmt Dein DNS? Auch das im chroot?
Hast Du eine transport-Tabelle mit entsprechenden Vorgaben?
> telnet mail.oracle.com 25
> Trying 141.146.46.32...
> Connected to mail.oracle.com.
> Escape character is '^]'.
> 220 server ready. Unauthorized Access Prohibited.
> quit
> 221 2.0.0 acsmt359.oracle.com Closing connection
> Connection closed by foreign host.
>
> Heinz.
>
> PS. So besser?
Ja, viel! Danke. :)
p at rick
>
>
>
>
>
> Patrick Ben Koetter wrote:
> > Heinz,
> >
> > sieh Dir mal die Fehlermeldung an:
> >
> >
> >> 86C20C98042: to=<heinz.mielimonka at oracle.com>, orig_to=<oracle at mielimonka.de>,
> >> relay=none, delay=21, delays=21/0/0.58/0, dsn=4.4.1, status=deferred (connect
> >> to rcsinet12.oracle.com[148.87.113.124]:25: Connection refused)
> >>
> >
> >
> >> Ich vermute, weil Oracle orig_to=<oracle at mielimonka.de> nicht kennt.
> >>
> >
> > Der Server rcsinet12.oracle.com lehnt die Verbindung ab. Das heißt, eine
> > Verbindung auf TCP/IP-Ebene kommt nicht zustande. Da lauscht entweder kein
> > Server oder die FW blockt, oder ...
> >
> >
> >> Was mache ich falsch?
> >>
> >
> > Also wenn Du zum HTML-Format auch noch mindestens TEXT-Format senden könntest,
> > können wir Dir leichter helfen. Deine erste Mail (s.u.) war nicht wirklich
> > leicht lesbar. ;)
> >
> > p at rick
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > * Heinz Mielimonka <postfix-users at de.postfix.org>:
> >
> >> <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
> >> <html>
> >> <head>
> >> </head>
> >> <body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000">
> >> <div class="moz-signature"><span
> >> style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Arial;">Hallo,<br>
> >> <br>
> >> leider funktioniert bei mir nur die Weiterleitung nach GMX, die nach
> >> Oracle schägt fehl.<br>
> >> <br>
> >> 86C20C98042: to=<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:heinz.mielimonka at oracle.com"><heinz.mielimonka at oracle.com></a>,
> >> orig_to=<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:oracle at mielimonka.de"><oracle at mielimonka.de></a>, relay=none, delay=21,
> >> delays=21/0/0.58/0, dsn=4.4.1, status=deferred (connect to
> >> rcsinet12.oracle.com[148.87.113.124]:25: Connection refused)<br>
> >> <br>
> >> Ich vermute, weil Oracle orig_to</span><span
> >> style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Arial;">=<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:oracle at mielimonka.de"><oracle at mielimonka.de></a>
> >> nicht kennt.<br>
> >> <br>
> >> Was mache ich falsch?<br>
> >> </span><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Arial;"><br>
> >> <br>
> >> Mit freundlichen Gruessen / kind regards<br>
> >> Heinz Mielimonka<br>
> >> </span>
> >> <hr style="width: 100%; height: 2px;"><br>
> >> <span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Arial;"><tt>postmap -q
> >> <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:oracle at mielimonka.de">"oracle at mielimonka.de"</a> /etc/postfix/canonical<br>
> >> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:heinz.mielimonka at oracle.com">heinz.mielimonka at oracle.com</a><br>
> >> <br>
> >> <br>
> >> postmap -q <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:heinz at mielimonka.de">"heinz at mielimonka.de"</a> /etc/postfix/canonical<br>
> >> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:heikemielimonka at gmx.de">heikemielimonka at gmx.de</a><br>
> >> </tt></span><br>
> >> <p class="Standard" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt;"><span
> >> style="font-family: "Courier New";">postfinger-1.30<o:p></o:p></span></p>
> >> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 35.4pt;"><span
> >> style="font-size: 5pt; font-family: "Courier New";">postfinger -
> >> postfix
> >> configuration on Sun Apr 26 20:47:08 CEST 2009<o:p></o:p></span></p>
> >> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 35.4pt;"><span
> >> style="font-size: 5pt; font-family: "Courier New";">version: 1.30<o:p></o:p></span></p>
> >> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 35.4pt;"><span
> >> style="font-size: 5pt; font-family: "Courier New";"><!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--> <!--[endif]--><o:p></o:p></span></p>
> >> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 35.4pt;"><span
> >> style="font-size: 5pt; font-family: "Courier New";">Warning:
> >> postfinger output
> >> may show private configuration information,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
> >> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 35.4pt;"><span
> >> style="font-size: 5pt; font-family: "Courier New";">such as ip
> >> addresses
> >> and/or domain names which you do not want to show<o:p></o:p></span></p>
> >> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 35.4pt;"><span
> >> style="font-size: 5pt; font-family: "Courier New";">to the public.<span
> >> style=""> </span>If this is the case it is your
> >> responsibility to modify<o:p></o:p></span></p>
> >> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 35.4pt;"><span
> >> style="font-size: 5pt; font-family: "Courier New";">the output to hide
> >> this
> >> private information.<span style=""> </span>[Remove this
> >> warning with<o:p></o:p></span></p>
> >> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 35.4pt;"><span
> >> style="font-size: 5pt; font-family: "Courier New";">the --nowarn
> >> option.]<o:p></o:p></span></p>
> >> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 35.4pt;"><span
> >> style="font-size: 5pt; font-family: "Courier New";"><!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--> <!--[endif]--><o:p></o:p></span></p>
> >> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 35.4pt;"><span
> >> style="font-size: 5pt; font-family: "Courier New";">--System
> >> Parameters--<o:p></o:p></span></p>
> >> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 35.4pt;"><span
> >> style="font-size: 5pt; font-family: "Courier New";">mail_version =
> >> 2.5.5<o:p></o:p></span></p>
> >> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 35.4pt;"><span
> >> style="font-size: 5pt; font-family: "Courier New";">hostname =
> >> gera118.server4you.de<o:p></o:p></span></p>
> >> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 35.4pt;"><span
> >> style="font-size: 5pt; font-family: "Courier New";">uname = Linux
> >> gera118.server4you.de 2.6.26.8-57.fc8 #1 SMP Thu Dec 18 19:19:45 EST
> >> 2008 i686
> >> athlon i386 GNU/Linux<o:p></o:p></span></p>
> >> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 35.4pt;"><span
> >> style="font-size: 5pt; font-family: "Courier New";"><!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--> <!--[endif]--><o:p></o:p></span></p>
> >> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 35.4pt;"><span
> >> style="font-size: 5pt; font-family: "Courier New";">--Packaging
> >> information--<o:p></o:p></span></p>
> >> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 35.4pt;"><span
> >> style="font-size: 5pt; font-family: "Courier New";">looks like this
> >> postfix
> >> comes from RPM package: postfix-2.5.5-1.fc8<o:p></o:p></span></p>
> >> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 35.4pt;"><span
> >> style="font-size: 5pt; font-family: "Courier New";"><!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--> <!--[endif]--><o:p></o:p></span></p>
> >> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 35.4pt;"><span
> >> style="font-size: 5pt; font-family: "Courier New";">--main.cf
> >> non-default
> >> parameters--<o:p></o:p></span></p>
> >> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 35.4pt;"><span
> >> style="font-size: 5pt; font-family: "Courier New";">alias_maps =
> >> hash:/etc/aliases<o:p></o:p></span></p>
> >> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 35.4pt;"><span
> >> style="font-size: 5pt; font-family: "Courier New";">canonical_maps =
> >> hash:/etc/postfix/canonical<o:p></o:p></span></p>
> >> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 35.4pt;"><span
> >> style="font-size: 5pt; font-family: "Courier New";">home_mailbox =
> >> /INFO/maildir/<o:p></o:p></span></p>
> >> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 35.4pt;"><span
> >> style="font-size: 5pt; font-family: "Courier New";">local_transport =
> >> error:Local delivery disabled!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
> >> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 35.4pt;"><span
> >> style="font-size: 5pt; font-family: "Courier New";">mailq_path =
> >> /usr/bin/mailq.postfix<o:p></o:p></span></p>
> >> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 35.4pt;"><span
> >> style="font-size: 5pt; font-family: "Courier New";">manpage_directory
> >> = /usr/share/man<o:p></o:p></span></p>
> >> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 35.4pt;"><span
> >> style="font-size: 5pt; font-family: "Courier New";" lang="DE">mydestination
> >> =<o:p></o:p></span></p>
> >> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 35.4pt;"><span
> >> style="font-size: 5pt; font-family: "Courier New";" lang="DE">mydomain
> >> = kommunikation-im-zentrum.de<o:p></o:p></span></p>
> >> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 35.4pt;"><span
> >> style="font-size: 5pt; font-family: "Courier New";" lang="DE">myhostname
> >> = mail.kommunikation-im-zentrum.de<o:p></o:p></span></p>
> >> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 35.4pt;"><span
> >> style="font-size: 5pt; font-family: "Courier New";">myorigin =
> >> $mydomain<o:p></o:p></span></p>
> >> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 35.4pt;"><span
> >> style="font-size: 5pt; font-family: "Courier New";">newaliases_path =
> >> /usr/bin/newaliases.postfix<o:p></o:p></span></p>
> >> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 35.4pt;"><span
> >> style="font-size: 5pt; font-family: "Courier New";">readme_directory =
> >> /usr/share/doc/postfix-2.5.5/README_FILES<o:p></o:p></span></p>
> >> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 35.4pt;"><span
> >> style="font-size: 5pt; font-family: "Courier New";" lang="DE">relay_domains
> >> = kommunikation-im-zentrum.de, mielimonka.de<o:p></o:p></span></p>
> >> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 35.4pt;"><span
> >> style="font-size: 5pt; font-family: "Courier New";">relay_recipient_maps
> >> =
> >> hash:/etc/postfix/relay_recipients<o:p></o:p></span></p>
> >> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 35.4pt;"><span
> >> style="font-size: 5pt; font-family: "Courier New";">sample_directory =
> >> /usr/share/doc/postfix-2.5.5/samples<o:p></o:p></span></p>
> >> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 35.4pt;"><span
> >> style="font-size: 5pt; font-family: "Courier New";">sendmail_path =
> >> /usr/sbin/sendmail.postfix<o:p></o:p></span></p>
> >> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 35.4pt;"><span
> >> style="font-size: 5pt; font-family: "Courier New";">smtpd_helo_required
> >> = yes<o:p></o:p></span></p>
> >> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 35.4pt;"><span
> >> style="font-size: 5pt; font-family: "Courier New";">smtpd_recipient_restrictions
> >> = reject_non_fqdn_recipient reject_non_fqdn_sender
> >> reject_unknown_sender_domain
> >> reject_unknown_recipient_domain permit_mynetworks check_relay_domains
> >> reject_multi_repicient_bounce reject_invalid_helo_hostname
> >> reject_non_fqdn_helo_hostname permit<o:p></o:p></span></p>
> >> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 35.4pt;"><span
> >> style="font-size: 5pt; font-family: "Courier New";">virtual_alias_maps
> >> =
> >> hash:/etc/postfix/virtual_alias<o:p></o:p></span></p>
> >> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 35.4pt;"><span
> >> style="font-size: 5pt; font-family: "Courier New";"><!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--> <!--[endif]--><o:p></o:p></span></p>
> >> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 35.4pt;"><span
> >> style="font-size: 5pt; font-family: "Courier New";">--master.cf--<o:p></o:p></span></p>
> >> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 35.4pt;"><span
> >> style="font-size: 5pt; font-family: "Courier New";">smtp<span style="">
> >> </span>inet<span style="">
> >> </span>n<span style=""> </span>-<span style=""> </span>n<span
> >> style="">
> >> </span>-<span style=""> </span>-<span style=""> </span>smtpd<span
> >> style="">
> >> </span>-v<o:p></o:p></span></p>
> >> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 35.4pt;"><span
> >> style="font-size: 5pt; font-family: "Courier New";">pickup<span
> >> style=""> </span>fifo<span style="">
> >> </span>n<span style=""> </span>-<span style=""> </span>n<span
> >> style="">
> >> </span>60<span style=""> </span>1<span style=""> </span>pickup<o:p></o:p></span></p>
> >> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 35.4pt;"><span
> >> style="font-size: 5pt; font-family: "Courier New";">cleanup<span
> >> style=""> </span>unix<span style="">
> >> </span>n<span style=""> </span>-<span style=""> </span>n<span
> >> style="">
> >> </span>-<span style=""> </span>0<span style=""> </span><span
> >> style=""> </span>cleanup<o:p></o:p></span></p>
> >> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 35.4pt;"><span
> >> style="font-size: 5pt; font-family: "Courier New";">qmgr<span style="">
> >> </span>fifo<span style="">
> >> </span>n<span style=""> </span>-<span style=""> </span>n<span
> >> style="">
> >> </span>300<span style=""> </span>1<span style=""> </span>qmgr<o:p></o:p></span></p>
> >> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 35.4pt;"><span
> >> style="font-size: 5pt; font-family: "Courier New";">tlsmgr<span
> >> style=""> </span>unix<span style="">
> >> </span>-<span style=""> </span>-<span style=""> </span>n<span
> >> style="">
> >> </span>1000?<span style=""> </span>1<span style=""> </span>tlsmgr<o:p></o:p></span></p>
> >> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 35.4pt;"><span
> >> style="font-size: 5pt; font-family: "Courier New";">rewrite<span
> >> style=""> </span>unix<span style="">
> >> </span>-<span style=""> </span>-<span style=""> </span>n<span
> >> style="">
> >> </span>-<span style=""> </span>-<span style=""> </span>trivial-rewrite<o:p></o:p></span></p>
> >> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 35.4pt;"><span
> >> style="font-size: 5pt; font-family: "Courier New";">bounce<span
> >> style=""> </span>unix<span style="">
> >> </span>-<span style=""> </span>-<span style=""> </span>n<span
> >> style="">
> >> </span>-<span style=""> </span>0 <span style=""> </span>bounce<o:p></o:p></span></p>
> >> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 35.4pt;"><span
> >> style="font-size: 5pt; font-family: "Courier New";">defer<span style="">
> >> </span>unix<span style="">
> >> </span>-<span style=""> </span>-<span style=""> </span>n<span
> >> style="">
> >> </span>-<span style=""> </span>0<span style=""> </span>bounce<o:p></o:p></span></p>
> >> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 35.4pt;"><span
> >> style="font-size: 5pt; font-family: "Courier New";">trace<span style="">
> >> </span>unix<span style="">
> >> </span>-<span style=""> </span>-<span style=""> </span>n<span
> >> style="">
> >> </span>-<span style=""> </span>0<span style=""> </span>bounce<o:p></o:p></span></p>
> >> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 35.4pt;"><span
> >> style="font-size: 5pt; font-family: "Courier New";">verify<span
> >> style=""> </span>unix<span style="">
> >> </span>-<span style=""> </span>-<span style=""> </span>n<span
> >> style="">
> >> </span>-<span style=""> </span>1<span style=""> </span>verify<o:p></o:p></span></p>
> >> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 35.4pt;"><span
> >> style="font-size: 5pt; font-family: "Courier New";">flush<span style="">
> >> </span>unix<span style="">
> >> </span>n<span style=""> </span>-<span style=""> </span>n<span
> >> style="">
> >> </span>1000?<span style=""> </span>0<span style=""> </span><span
> >> style=""> </span>flush<o:p></o:p></span></p>
> >> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 35.4pt;"><span
> >> style="font-size: 5pt; font-family: "Courier New";">proxymap<span
> >> style=""> </span>unix<span style="">
> >> </span>-<span style=""> </span>-<span style=""> </span>n<span
> >> style="">
> >> </span>-<span style=""> </span>-<span style=""> </span>proxymap<o:p></o:p></span></p>
> >> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 35.4pt;"><span
> >> style="font-size: 5pt; font-family: "Courier New";">proxywrite unix -<span
> >> style=""> </span>-<span style="">
> >> </span>n<span style=""> </span>-<span style=""> </span>1<span
> >> style="">
> >> </span>proxymap<o:p></o:p></span></p>
> >> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 35.4pt;"><span
> >> style="font-size: 5pt; font-family: "Courier New";">smtp<span style="">
> >> </span>unix<span style="">
> >> </span>-<span style=""> </span>-<span style=""> </span>n<span
> >> style="">
> >> </span>-<span style=""> </span>-<span style=""> </span>smtp<o:p></o:p></span></p>
> >> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 35.4pt;"><span
> >> style="font-size: 5pt; font-family: "Courier New";">relay<span style="">
> >> </span>unix<span style="">
> >> </span>-<span style=""> </span>-<span style=""> </span>n<span
> >> style="">
> >> </span>-<span style=""> </span>-<span style=""> </span>smtp<o:p></o:p></span></p>
> >> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 35.4pt;"><span
> >> style="font-size: 5pt; font-family: "Courier New";"><span style="">
> >> </span>-o smtp_fallback_relay=<o:p></o:p></span></p>
> >> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 35.4pt;"><span
> >> style="font-size: 5pt; font-family: "Courier New";">showq<span style="">
> >> </span>unix<span style="">
> >> </span>n<span style=""> </span>-<span style=""> </span>n<span
> >> style="">
> >> </span>-<span style=""> </span>-<span style=""> </span>showq<o:p></o:p></span></p>
> >> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 35.4pt;"><span
> >> style="font-size: 5pt; font-family: "Courier New";">error<span style="">
> >> </span>unix<span style="">
> >> </span>-<span style=""> </span>-<span style=""> </span>n<span
> >> style="">
> >> </span>-<span style=""> </span>-<span style=""> </span>error<o:p></o:p></span></p>
> >> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 35.4pt;"><span
> >> style="font-size: 5pt; font-family: "Courier New";">retry<span style="">
> >> </span>unix<span style="">
> >> </span>-<span style=""> </span>-<span style=""> </span>n<span
> >> style="">
> >> </span>-<span style=""> </span>-<span style=""> </span>error<o:p></o:p></span></p>
> >> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 35.4pt;"><span
> >> style="font-size: 5pt; font-family: "Courier New";">discard<span
> >> style=""> </span>unix<span style="">
> >> </span>-<span style=""> </span>-<span style=""> </span>n<span
> >> style="">
> >> </span>-<span style=""> </span>-<span style=""> </span>discard<o:p></o:p></span></p>
> >> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 35.4pt;"><span
> >> style="font-size: 5pt; font-family: "Courier New";">virtual<span
> >> style=""> </span>unix<span style="">
> >> </span>-<span style=""> </span>n<span style=""> </span>n<span
> >> style="">
> >> </span>-<span style=""> </span>-<span style=""> </span>virtual<o:p></o:p></span></p>
> >> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 35.4pt;"><span
> >> style="font-size: 5pt; font-family: "Courier New";">lmtp<span style="">
> >> </span>unix<span style="">
> >> </span>-<span style=""> </span>-<span style=""> </span>n<span
> >> style="">
> >> </span>-<span style=""> </span>-<span style=""> </span>lmtp<o:p></o:p></span></p>
> >> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 35.4pt;"><span
> >> style="font-size: 5pt; font-family: "Courier New";">anvil<span style="">
> >> </span>unix<span style="">
> >> </span>-<span style=""> </span>-<span style=""> </span>n<span
> >> style="">
> >> </span>-<span style=""> </span>1<span style=""> </span>anvil<o:p></o:p></span></p>
> >> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 35.4pt;"><span
> >> style="font-size: 5pt; font-family: "Courier New";">scache<span
> >> style=""> </span>unix<span style="">
> >> </span>-<span style=""> </span>-<span style=""> </span>n<span
> >> style="">
> >> </span>-<span style=""> </span>1<span style=""> </span>scache<o:p></o:p></span></p>
> >> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 35.4pt;"><span
> >> style="font-size: 5pt; font-family: "Courier New";"><!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--> <!--[endif]--><o:p></o:p></span></p>
> >> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 35.4pt;"><span
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> >> <span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Arial;"></span></div>
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